Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon

The more I think about it, the more I see huge similarities between Richard Nixon in 1968 and Hillary Clinton in 2008.  Both are figures that have a likeability problem and both would benefit from the unpopularity of the opposition party.  Lyndon Johnson was very unpopular in 1968 and George W. Bush is very unpopular now because of unpopular wars.  Despite these favorable conditions, Richard Nixon was only able to pull out a close 43%-42% victory in the fall over Johnson's VP, Hubert Humpherey.  At the same time Republicans made almost no gains in Congress.  

I think if nominated, Hillary Clinton would follow a very similar path.  If nominated, she would maybe eke out a 50%-49% win over McCain and provide no gains for Democrats downballot.  After Nixon was elected, he throw his party under the bus to pursue a pretty liberal agenda for a Republican.  He created many federal agencies like the FDA and agreed to impose wage and price controls.  He also greatly increased welfare assistance and agreed to raise taxes on upper income Americans.  I think Hillary Clinton would follow the exact same path here.  She, like Nixon, would use a strategy of appeasement to keep the oppositon happy.  I would not be surprised to see her signing strict immigration enforcement laws as well as a partial birth abortion ban in order to appease Republicans.

The question is, do Democrats really want this?  Richard Nixon did nothing for the Conservative movement and did an awful lot to set it back with scandals like Watergate.  Because of this, Republicans were reduced to a mere 144 seats in the House and 38 in the Senate after the 1974 midterms.  I fear Clinton would do the same thing to us.  I really do not feel like winning an election with somebody who is not ideologically committed to the progressive movement in the same way that Richard Nixon was not committed to the Conservative movement.  



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Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (2.00 / 6)

"The more I think about it...."

Perhaps you should think less about it...it might work better !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:56:52 AM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (none / 0)

And if, saying if, s/he's to think about it then perhaps he'd like to add to his/her flawed equation the fact of the Nixon landslide in 1972 with more than significant gains for Republicans down ballot.

Not that we'll have to wait until Hillary's reelection in 2012 to have such significant gains for Democrats though.


Grumpy, reluctant, sore-losing, unhappy, irritable Hillary supporter for Barack Obama 2008
by DemAC on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:46:07 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (2.00 / 0)

You are very wrong.  In 1972, Republicans actually dropped two Senate seats(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Stat es_Senate_elections%2C_1972) and only picked up 12 House seats(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Stat es_House_of_Representatives_elections%2C _1972) and went on to lose 48 in 1974(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Stat es_House_of_Representatives_elections%2C _1974).  


by Toddwell on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 04:12:10 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (none / 0)

As I state downthread, I'm well aware of the numbers. These numbers however tell only part of the 70's story as a great many of the Democrats were ultra conservative right-wingers, mainly from the South. On the other hand, quite a handsome numbers of Republicans at the time were progressive Liberals, mainly from the Northeast.

If you "accuse" Nixon of being leftist, then you should try to establish whether, in fact, leftism was strengthened or weakened in Congress in Nixon's elections. Partisanship doesn't tell that story at all.

That you won't do however, as your only intent with this ridiculous comparison is to smear Hillary Clinton.


Grumpy, reluctant, sore-losing, unhappy, irritable Hillary supporter for Barack Obama 2008
by DemAC on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 05:57:50 AM EST
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Re: trash this diary (none / 0)

This pathetic diary should be removed -- or get a troll rating.  Can you tell me how to rate the diary itself  -- not just comments.

Thanks.


by moevaughn on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 08:42:39 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (2.00 / 2)

nope. you got it wrong....

projecting nixon and comparing hillary to him is based on NOTHING.


by nikkid on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:59:45 AM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (1.00 / 1)

You just don't want to see it, but it becomes clearer everyday.  


by Toddwell on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:01:00 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (2.00 / 3)

This diary is just as much garbage on here as it was on Kos. Delete this crap and quit comparing Democrats with Nixon.

This Obama worship at any cost is going to destroy our party.


by RDemocrat on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:06:36 AM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (none / 0)

And Clinton worship at any cost won't?


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:10:52 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (none / 0)

I could say the exact same thing about the Clinton worship.  You people are want to throw our party away just so you can get one brief win at the top of the ticket in 2008.  


by Toddwell on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:11:08 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (2.00 / 1)

You people??? I supported Edwards and still do for your information. I will vote for him in Kentucky's primary. I will vote for our nominee in the fall and garbage like this crap of a diary will not help either one of them.

In fact, this obsession with Obama and Clinton and the Presidential is taking money and attention that our Congressional and Senate candidates desperately need.

Our best candidate is already gone.


by RDemocrat on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:19:17 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (none / 0)

Im sorry RDemocrat.  I am glad that you are sticking with your candidate in the Kentucky primary.  I agree with you that this is taking away money and attention from what really counts, House and Senate candidates.  If we don't pick up seats in 2008, we are going to be screwed either way.  


by Toddwell on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:25:32 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (2.00 / 1)

OK. I am sorry I said mean things too. It has been a long day. No matter which one wins, the Repugs have plenty of hate to sling and we shouldn't be helping them is all I am trying to say. Hillary isn't perfect, but I am pretty sure she isn't the anti-Christ.


by RDemocrat on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:30:47 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (2.00 / 1)

I can't help it "you people" wanted a corporate Democrat at all costs.


by RDemocrat on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:21:47 AM EST
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Complete crap. (2.00 / 3)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:11:40 AM EST

Re: Complete crap. (none / 0)

agreed.

This pathetic diary should be removed -- or get a troll rating.  Can you tell me how to rate the diary itself  -- not just comments.

Thanks.


by moevaughn on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 08:43:35 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (1.00 / 1)

Nixon during the middle of watergate maybe, remember in 1968 Richard was viewed as being far more honest than Hillary is today (I think Cheney has Higher honesty numbers with the General public than Hillary does).


by Socraticsilence on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:20:27 AM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (none / 0)

What is your evidence for this argument?


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:23:44 AM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (none / 0)

So glad I dropped by, sure did learn a lot.


On to the Convention Floor!
by oh puhleeze on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:27:23 AM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (2.00 / 2)

Obama is the one moving right to appease the opposition. He calls it "unity" - I call it triangulation. I've learned from obama supporters that's a bad thing. He's not supporting universal healthcare, he's repeating rightwing talking points on social security and he's hedging on pulling one or two brigades a month out of Iraq.

Hillary isn't moving right. Obama is. You're projecting.


by Little Otter on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:38:46 AM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (2.00 / 0)

I don't get what you are saying.  The Clinton's are the masters of triangulation.  They stopped supporting universal healthcare in the 1990's after they realized it wasn't popular and Clinton voted for the Iraq war.  


by Toddwell on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:41:46 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (2.00 / 1)

Since you've clearly not paid any attention to her voting record, why don't you check it out at Progressive Punch and define which aspect of it leaves you feeling (because it certainly doesn't involve thinking) like she isn't committed to a progressive vision.

What do you want to bet you don't have the nerve to do it? You'll find some cheesy excuse why you shouldn't go check out Progressive Punch, how they rate people, and how she rates.

http://www.progressivepunch.org/members. jsp?search=selectName&member=NYI& ;chamber=Senate&zip=&x=52&y= 6


by Little Otter on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:43:09 AM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (2.00 / 0)

You are ducking the issue.  Just look at how the Clinton's governed in the 1990's.  


by Toddwell on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:46:06 AM EST
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Hillary Rodham Clinton is not her goddamn husband. (2.00 / 2)

And thank god for that.

It's unfortunate that you have so much difficulty separating a woman from her husband. Talk about a deficit in progressive thought.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:11:37 AM EST
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So people have to keep a woman... (none / 0)

... and her husband separate.

But a man and his pastor?

They're joined at the hip?


by kraant on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 05:53:56 AM EST
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Re: So people have to keep a woman... (2.00 / 0)

No, and I'm not one of the people who needs that pointed out to them. I have repeatedly said people are focusing on the Wright thing too much and being close-minded about it. I've never said they were joined at anything.
Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:31:27 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (2.00 / 1)

Obamabots are so predictable. Anything to avoid actual substantive reading and consideration. You have your boogie man and you like it that way.

Your reaction is why we think you're a cult. You're afraid of information. You're afraid of truth. You prefer mythology.


by Little Otter on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:42:55 AM EST
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Re: trash this diary (none / 0)

This pathetic diary should be removed -- or get a troll rating.  Can you tell me how to rate the diary itself  -- not just comments.

Thanks.


by moevaughn on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 08:39:42 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (2.00 / 1)

Or take a peek at the website of Americans for Democratic Action. They regularly collect and measure voting records in the Senate.

As anyone will find, Hillary Clinton has voted on legislation in the US Senate for seven years now, and her lifetime voting on all issues is rated the 11th most progressive in the Senate by the ADA. One will also find, for example, that on labor issues that are most vital to corporations Hillary Clinton votes 100% for workers and union issues, directly opposing entrenched corporate interests.

In sum Hillary Clinton's lifetime voting record in the Senate on specific progressive issues gets a score of over 95% according to ADA.


Grumpy, reluctant, sore-losing, unhappy, irritable Hillary supporter for Barack Obama 2008
by DemAC on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:52:03 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (2.00 / 2)

Hmmm but Nixon WON in 1968 and was re-elected in a huge landslide...

Anyway this is silly, the man Nixon loathed George McGovern is all for Hillary


by rossinatl on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:58:24 AM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (2.00 / 0)

He won in 1968 by less than one point and his party did not advance at all in Congress.  He won in 1972 by running far to the left and his party actually lost ground in Congress.  Winning is nothing unless you can bring coattails with you.  Reagan understood this in 1980, Johnson did in 1964, and so did FDR in 1932.  This is the reason why these are the only three Presidents since the 1920's that have gotten much of anything done.  


by Toddwell on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:02:41 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (2.00 / 1)

That's not accurate. While losing two seats in the Senate, Nixon's Republican Party managed to gain a net of twelve seats in the House of Representatives from the Democratic Party.

It should be remembered also that, at this time, the Southern Democratic Senators and Representatives were often super conservative and anything but progressives. Many Republicans of the North East were however often Liberals and decidedly progressive.

These were different times and, beside the obvious point that your little comparison is blown out of your posterior to smear Hillary Clinton, it is flawed if judged only on its own highly questionable merits.


Grumpy, reluctant, sore-losing, unhappy, irritable Hillary supporter for Barack Obama 2008
by DemAC on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 04:11:31 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (2.00 / 0)

They gained 12 but when on to lose 48 in 1974.  Also, Democrats gained in state legislatures and governorships in 1972.  


by Toddwell on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 04:13:10 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (2.00 / 1)

Yeah, in 1974 Nixon and the Republicans were embroiled in a little thingy known as the Watergate scandal. Perhaps not quite of the magnitude of Rezko and Rev. Wright, but still...


Grumpy, reluctant, sore-losing, unhappy, irritable Hillary supporter for Barack Obama 2008
by DemAC on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 05:52:07 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (none / 0)

Oh yeah? Well YOUR candidate is just like Hitler! /snark

Honestly, do you really think you are convincing anybody with this kind of tripe? Did you expect anybody to say "Gee Toddwell, I never thought of it that way. You've really opened my mind. Hillary IS just like Tricky Dick - how did I not see it before?"

All you are going to get with petty, superficial hit pieces like this is a snub from every Clinton supporter, and maybe a few attaboys from the most juvenile cadre of Obama fans. You knew that when you posted it, didn't you? So why bother? Why not try posting something that will provoke thought, rather than knee jerk reactions? If you scan the comment sections around MyDD lately, you will see that we already have plenty of knee jerk reactions.

By the way, to anybody else who reads this comment, if the shoe fits ...


Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.
by itsthemedia on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:16:04 AM EST

May I be the first to call for a moratorium... (2.00 / 0)

...on the use of the phrase "thrown under the bus" -- and its variants? It's really gotten out of control. If not for the english language, do for public transportation. Thank you!


by baudelairien on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:57:22 AM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton=our Richard Nixon (2.00 / 2)

As an Obama supporter, I think this diary is completely inappropriate.  Nixon trashed the constitution and maliciously rifled through the private files of innocent Americans.  Hillary has and will not do anything of a similiar nature.  I understand what you're trying to say, but to make that comparision will only engender anger and will not prove your point at all.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 04:07:14 AM EST

Major flaw in your argument (none / 0)

I really do not feel like winning an election with somebody who is not ideologically committed to the progressive movement in the same way that Richard Nixon was not committed to the Conservative movement.
The major flaw in your argument there is your assumption that Hillary is not ideologically committed to the progressive movement. All you have to do is look at her history, starting in Wellesley, to see her total commitment to liberal causes. The work of her entire adult life isn't enough for you?
by Swedie on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 04:22:42 AM EST

Re: Major flaw in your argument (2.00 / 0)

She has done little to elect Democrats and progressives nationally.  That is what I am saying.  She never mentions a need for a larger Democratic majority in Congress when she talks about the elections.  If she did this, she would probably have my support.  


by Toddwell on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 04:35:59 AM EST
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Except maybe (none / 0)

campaign for Barack Obama


Sexism is real.
by grassrootsorganizer on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 05:47:37 AM EST
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Re: Major flaw (none / 0)

I think Hillary campaigned for Obama when he ran for Senate -- and maybe did a fundraiser for him as well.


by moevaughn on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 08:50:19 AM EST
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nothing for the Conservative movement? (none / 0)

How about those new states Nixon brought into the fold?  he made inroads with the south that helped bring them to Reagan and eventually have stayed with them ever since. In '68, he carried traditionally Democratic states like the Carolinas, Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Missouri, and beat Humphrey in a number of Deep South states, second to Wallace. And Wallace's votes would have probably gone more to Nixon due to the law and order stances he had, and his racial positions. In 1972, he got AT LEAST 60 percent in EVERY SOUTHERN state, and at the time, the best southern performance for a Republican ever, even better than the first south-honored GOPer, Goldwater. His southern strategy was the foundation for the Reagan movement, which was largely built on white backlash to civil rights. Without Nixon, Reagan would never have happened. Nixon was a vital part of the conservative movement.

I actually liken him to Bill Clinton, who like Nixon, went in the opposite of his party at times, but brought new states, which hadn't voted Democratic in years to the fold which are now essential parts to his party's formula, as did Nixon with the South for the Republicans.

Hillary is more our George Bush Sr. she has party connections, and is related to other famed politicians. She is with the party line, but perceived by her side to be more moderate, by the other side to be a radical, like Bush Sr. she actually is pretty similar on the stump to him too, in style.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 03:34:56 AM EST


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